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  • ISAIAH WYNN

    Sep 18, 2022; Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, USA; New England Patriots offensive tackle Isaiah Wynn (76) exits the field after defeating the Pittsburgh Steelers at Acrisure Stadium. Credit: Charles LeClaire-USA TODAY Sports

    Isiah Wynn (Credit: Charles LeClaire-USA TODAY Sports)

  • Rich Shertenlieb: What happened with Isaiah Wynn there?

    Mike Reiss: Yeah – He wasn’t too happy. I mean, sometimes you got to ask players about uncomfortable topics. Tuesday is the NFL’s trade deadline and I would say Isaiah and Nelson Agholor are the two names that probably pop up the most in conversations of players the Patriots might trade. So I went up to both guys in the locker room last week and just sort of asked them how they handle having their name in conversations and how they feel. Isaiah didn’t take too kindly to the questions.

    But honestly, guys, that’s not the first time that’s happened. It won’t be the last. You just sort of move on. That’s part of the deal.

    Rich Shertenlieb: Well, you got to ask him, I mean, obviously. But I’m wondering, does Isaiah even have any value after this year? Or is he one of those players that’s just not happy here? You think that there’s teams that might look at him and go, ‘well, change of environment might do him some good’, or has he pretty much lowered his value to the point where I don’t even know we’re going to get back?

    Mike Reiss: It would be low return usually at the trade deadline. A lot of those trades are dictated by finances. A team that might need a piece on the offensive line, a depth piece, those guys are hard to find. Isaiah still has value, I would say, as a player that would be dressed on game day and that if you needed a guy to step in and play some snaps, he might be able to help you. You’re not going to pay a lot for that and you’re gonna have to have some cap space to assume his contract, which is significant/ So I think that that would be the one scenario where I could see him dealt if a team had those dynamics in play.

  • MAC JONES

    EAST RUTHERFORD, NEW JERSEY - OCTOBER 30: Mac Jones #10 of the New England Patriots reacts at the line of scrimmage during the first half against the New York Jets at MetLife Stadium on October 30, 2022 in East Rutherford, New Jersey. (Photo by Mike Stobe/Getty Images)

    EAST RUTHERFORD, NEW JERSEY – OCTOBER 30: Mac Jones #10 of the New England Patriots reacts at the line of scrimmage during the first half against the New York Jets at MetLife Stadium on October 30, 2022 in East Rutherford, New Jersey. (Photo by Mike Stobe/Getty Images)

  • Rich Shertenlieb: Did you did you learn anything about Mac, where he is and what’s going on with his recovery? What did you learn from him yesterday?

    Mike Reiss: I think it’s like driving a car and it just you put it in neutral, right? Like it’s a neutral analysis. You hoped he would take that step forward, show more comfort and get back on track to where he was at times last year as a rookie. That didn’t happen. He also made some plays when they needed to have them and they won a game. So to me, I look at that, I add it all up and I say it wasn’t a total train wreck, but it wasn’t the exemplary performance that I maybe anticipated he was going to have. We pick a player in the pre-game show that we think is going to be a big player in the game. My thought was he seemed more at ease. Players noted to me like he seemed more at ease last week. I did think that was going to lead to a better performance and to me, it was write downs that was to say right down the middle, but just neutral, where you can’t make a determination one way or the other. You live to play another week, which in a lot of ways is what the NFL is.

  • ROUGHING THE PASSER

    EAST RUTHERFORD, NEW JERSEY - OCTOBER 30: Adrian Phillips #21 of the New England Patriots breaks up a pass intended for Michael Carter #32 of the New York Jets during the first quarter at MetLife Stadium on October 30, 2022 in East Rutherford, New Jersey. (Photo by Elsa/Getty Images)

    EAST RUTHERFORD, NEW JERSEY – OCTOBER 30: Adrian Phillips #21 of the New England Patriots breaks up a pass intended for Michael Carter #32 of the New York Jets during the first quarter at MetLife Stadium on October 30, 2022 in East Rutherford, New Jersey. (Photo by Elsa/Getty Images)

  • Fred Toucher: What did you make of the roughing the passer call?

    Mike Reiss: First, very fortunate because there’s two parts of it. There’s there’s the call itself, but then there’s the decision to throw the ball. They’re going to make that call nine times out of ten in the eighth week of the season. They’re just going to protect these quarterbacks. And did you almost notice the contrast of when, like, Dietrich Wise would get to Zach Wilson? He would almost hold him up. Did you guys notice that at all?

    Fred Toucher: I’ve seen that across the NFL? Which is a little sad.

    Mike Reiss: Yeah, it is sad. I go back to week three, the whole thing that sort of started this thing for Mac Jones when he got it in that Ravens game and hurt his ankle. I thought that was a penalty, too, but they didn’t call it. So I think there’s the league is much more… By the eighth week of the season… They’re much more on this and you’re just going to get zero margin for error as a defensive player in those situations.

  • NFL TRADE DEADLINE

    L-R: RB Damien Harris, WR Nelson Agholor, LT Isaiah Wynn (Getty Images)

    L-R: RB Damien Harris, WR Nelson Agholor, LT Isaiah Wynn (Getty Images)

     

  • Fred Toucher: Say you were to get rid of Wynn or you would get rid of Nelson Agholor. Are you looking for future assets? Are you looking for someone who could help right now?

    Mike Reiss: You’re not going to get much, guys, is my thought. And really what the biggest thing you’re going to get is just financial relief with the cap this year. I wouldn’t expect anything other than call it a conditional late round pick. Any team acquiring those players is going to be taking on that financial burden. So they’re not going to give you much and if they’re acquiring those players, they’re probably not willing to give you much of value in terms of a player on their roster. So I would set the expectations low in the event either of those players ultimately gets traded in terms of what you’d get back in return.

    Jon Wallach: Can you see Bill Belichick being stubborn on Agholor simply because he’s a veteran, despite all the mistakes he’s made since the season started? You know Bill a lot better than any of us do. I mean, I can see him saying, you know what, he’s a veteran. He’ll turn it around. You know, he’s going to be a valuable member for us later on in the season.

    Mike Reiss: I would say the Devante Parker injury, what’s the status there? He leaves yesterday after one snap with a knee injury. I don’t know the stats on him, but if he’s out for a considerable amount of time, that might be reason to stick with Nelson. I’d say, you know, the other part is he’s a really good guy in the locker room. His locker is not there right next to Mac. He sort of helped Mac a lot. If you recall, in the off season, he was the guy in a lot of ways that was getting everyone together to throw. That might be a factor in Bill Belichick’s mind as he sort of considers what to do going forward. But if you look at the snaps in this game, I mean, it was Tyquan Thorton way over Nelson Agholor. And that did stand out to me when I looked at I think it was Thornton with maybe 61 snaps and Agholor maybe had 19. So that did catch my eye in terms of where this thing might be headed if another team sees value in Agholor to take on his salary.

  • POST-GAME LOVE FEST

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    EAST RUTHERFORD, NEW JERSEY – OCTOBER 30: Head coach Bill Belichick of the New England Patriots reacts after a game against the New York Jets at MetLife Stadium on October 30, 2022 in East Rutherford, New Jersey. (Photo by Elsa/Getty Images)

  • Rich Shertenlieb: What did you think of the mutual love fest that you had post-game where Bill said glowing things about Mac. And then Mac, of course, starts his press conference by giving Bill a tongue bath. I mean, odd. Yeah.

    Jon Wallach: Well, considering the Brady Belichick dynamic over the years, this is very odd.

    Rich Shertenlieb: I had heard that like as they’re going off the field, they kind of met in the tunnel and there was a moment there between them like, what do you think is going on right now?

    Mike Reiss: I think I do think part of it is trying to get Mac back up and running and, I don’t want to say building him back up again, but just getting his confidence back to where he was last year when things were rolling. When I watched Bill after the game and the reaction with Mac, that was a thought I had. It wasn’t the strongest performance, but there were some good things and I want him leaving this field feeling good about himself. So I think that’s part of it from that standpoint. And then in the locker room, I don’t know if you saw the Patriots tweeted the video, they did a game ball presentation for Bill Belichick for passing George Halas. There was an acknowledgment of that by the team. So I think that’s good context in the discussion.

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