The Gridiron and Beyond: Boston Herald's Karen Guregian & Former Patriot Rich Ohrenberg (Ep. 16)

This week's episode of The Gridiron and Beyond was recorded prior to the news of Josh Gordon being suspended indefinitely. The podcast this week features Karen Guregian of the Boston Herald @kguregian on the state of the Patriots.

She discusses her recent column on the need for others to help Tom Brady lift the team out of its current predicament, coming off back-to-back losses and trying to stage another deep postseason run.

We also look ahead a bit to the offseason and the importance of the next five months, including the 2019 NFL Draft for the organization.

Then former Patriots offensive lineman Rich Ohrenberg @ohrenberger, now a co-host of The Mark and Rich Show at XTRA 1360 in San Diego joins Bob.

Our conversation includes his thoughts about playing with Tom Brady and Phillip Rivers and what he sees from both quarterbacks today and the teams the lead...

Also, as the team's resident comedian during his time in New England, Rich shares some funny anecdotes about his experiences as a Patriot, including the night he out-chugged the star quarterback during a Western New York blizzard.